Taking The Gloves Off
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I have to say my main purpose is to help the average steroid user, complete there cycles safely and without scammers. I even help certain people and then they threaten me because they think it should be like Amazon.com. And like I always say, I will back up my advice a 100% even if it costs me money. I have to say I sometimes don’t completely lay into some people like I should.
Being a keyboard cowboy is not acceptable, acting bad from behind a screen is not bad ass. Lying about who you are on forums is also unacceptable, if you don’t want anyone to know your business then simply don’t put it out there. But to get caught and continue the lies is even worse, admit what you did and move on. I personally respect anyone willing to admit such, and would gladly accept them back into our community with the promise it won’t happen again.
Next I held back on this for a while but I must unleash this, I have several friends that order Orgain from a certain board I use to be a MOD on, and quite a few came to me to get advise on where to have them tested, and these are close friends not forum friends, people I grew up with. All of them came back underdosed, and some were very poorly combined. Now how can you be looking out for the best interests of your board if your allowing this. I know some bottles can show up like this from a good source ( UGL ) , and it just be a one time error, but that error has t be conversed about. To hide , cover up and to ban people for such reason. If anyone has an issue with what I am saying about this topic , I would be more then willing to provide the reports from the testing. That is fact, not oh I know it is good, this statement is opinion, see the difference. So it’s a shame when you start a board to get big and help and you end up selling your soul like all the rest, if you address the issue respect will follow, if you don’t , kiss goodbye your credibility.
Finally, I have seen several links to my blog with certain boards, where a member links my page and ask about Axio, and whether I am right. Most get cut off quick or deleted , the ones that don’t , normally have several of Axio’s piss boys trying to discredit me, to no avail obviously. The truth is I have seen 4 seperate reports showing well over the normal levels of water being found in the sample, that is fact. This doesn’t mean the roids won’t work, no you will still get gains, this doesn’t mean they are fake. Nope, it means that the quality put into making such anabolics is not up to par, now if this has been fixed in the last few months, great less people that can get sick, but there is still the issue of the character of the owner, and thats the second biggest reason I WILL NEVER USE AXIO AGAIn. I am still angry I ever used Axio.
Commonsense goes a long way, and please use some when judging an issue or topic, or even when giving advice. The issue is we our among a black market / underground community, which means ther is no governing body to protect us. That leaves an open arena for scammers, scumbags , and people who are full of shit to roam free. The LE is against us all and will not approach this based on good source / bad source, so it is upto the few who care more about the community then their own pockets. And for this reason most of the honest people are the most hated, mainly because the unsavory crowd are against honesty, because it is bad for business. Think about it and let me know what you think.
Thank you for reading, and please contact me with comments about this post at drs@steroidslive.com. I would also like to announce that Uncle Z will now be part of my page, I am glad that such a seasoned veteran would have a banner on my blog , so welcome to him.
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I’d love to hear where you had these tested as there are virtually no labs that are willing to touch underground gear anymore. I think someone has a vendetta. I haven’t tried the gear, but I doubt you have had it tested. You seem to have a personal interest in one of your ‘home boards’ as you call it. One that generates a shit load of money taking unsuspecting fools for huge membership fees.
U.R.
Well I will respond to your question as if it was not ignorant, if I told you where this was tested ( as you are right , very few labs are willing to test such) I would ruin another lab. Just because you don’t know any , doesn’t mean it there isn’t a place. Your not all knowing ( neither am I ) , so please realize that with my field of work ( clearly written on my blog info ) it is easy for me to find the needed resources. As for the vendetta , you are a 100 % right, I used Axio for a year or so, and later found out that several people had Axio vials tested and the amount of water found was way above normal. ( and if you know so much please explain why higher amounts of water in a vial of roids is bad, and if you can’t answer that you have no basis to come at me! ) So my vendetta is that I actually put myself in harms way by using there products, and this is why I hate that brand name , no one has the right to endanger my health for there own monetary gains……. And if you haven’t used there gear as you claim , why are you so certain of their product??? you are either confused or another one of BW’s piss boys.. Have a great day…. Dr. S
P.S. My Home board happens to be an upstanding forum that does charge a small fee, and saves people 100 times that by giving legit sources. And like most others, the sponsors don’t run the forum the people do…
I’ve tried several of the source in questions ancillaries and found them all to be on spot. I have enough gear for several cycles, so I haven’t purchased any of his oil products as of yet. The orgain products I have tried have all been what they are advertised to be and perform as one would expect. Water in steroid samples first shouldn’t require any lab testing to verify. This should be clearly visible as water and oil doesn’t mix. I’ve received some axio products in the past with this problem and the problem was apparent as soon as I saw the vials. I am a member of the board you used to mod on. And there was more reason to your leaving then you you claim there to have been.
The only place to get samples such as these tested is in europe. I’ve talked to someone at BOS and they agree to to get some samples tested if I fund the testing. Your credibility is as risk, because BOS’s opinion will carry far more weight then your own, and I suspect based on testing your ‘results’ are nonexistant. You can’t make a claim like you’ve had labs done and then not post results. Even if you black out the lab name etc. Posting nothing but the words of some obscure blogger that nobody knows or cares about means virtually nothing to most.
BTW - your suggestion that something is horribly wrong in steroids with high water content. I’d like you to explain why that would be the case as I have used test base, winny, and tren base all based in water with virtually no problems.
I believe water in the oil based steroid samples indicates poor manufacturing procedures. But it’s not going to kill you for god’s sake. I know people that mix water based winny with oil based gear to reduce pain associated of injectible winny.
Wow I was all ready to reply with fact and information until I read this response and I quote”I believe water in the oil based steroid samples indicates poor manufacturing procedures. But it’s not going to kill you for god’s sake.” Yes it does mean poor Manufacturing, and no most of the time it won’t kill you, but can make you very sick, very sick, when you inject anything you have to make sure it is sterile, and if it was poorly manufactured, the sterility is most likely compromised. So please get a clue , I was ready to hit with medical jargon and such and instead I have to hit you with common sense. P.S. I do believe I read something a while back by Mr. Llewelyn criticized the exact same point I am currently, and well then proving me wrong, would also prove BOS wrong. and the results I plan on posting just not at your request , I have a few other name brands I have to finish, but to say you can not get any labs done inside the US, well they are wrong. No need to prove something many many people already know. Finally my mislead friend , there is very little CREDIBILTY within our community, and the ones to claim they are most credible are the least. We spend a lot of time within a community where the majority of it are comprised of scumbags and scammers. So listen closely, because I realize your a lil slow, most who do this and gain money from there own interests, care more about that money then you. I make nothing from this , I do it for love of the game, so the truth is all that matters. I didn’t go searching for any of these products to test MY READERS who fealt scammed came to me. So wake up little girl and see what is really going on around you.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, oil and water don’t mix huh? the percentage for it to be harmful is so small that to the human eye it wouldn’t be noticeable to such an extent. You amaze me how such an uneducated individual could contest me and my statements, why don’t you send that vet from your board to come see me so I can at least have an educated debate. Thank you for your interest in my blogs and my responses, have a great day.
DrS is a self absorbed asshole that has nothing to offer the community except pushing people in directions that line his pocket with $$$$$. The percentage of water to be harmful is so small? Holy shit everyone that has ever used a water based injectible is gonna DIE!!!!!! There are a million reasons those vials could have had small amounts of water in them. If it was as small as you claim it was likely condensation from the vial sterilization process. You are a self absorbed prick who thinks he knows more about this industry then he does. Fuck off keyboard commando. I’ll be at Arnold 2010 (8 years running) care to meet me face to face to restate that ‘little girl’ comment? Didn’t think so bitch.
I’ll be patiently awaiting your fabrication of test results so you can post them as evidence. If you had them why not post them to begin with? Things that make your credibility seem questionable….
Hmm… Interesting.. Axio provides “lab results” as well.. I’m interested to see what MFG’s you DO stand behind
Axio is really crap!
you Drs is 100% right.
Not that I’m a proponent of axio, but why is it that yourr connected to many well known and verified scammers??
Well firs off let me state that the reason I refuse to even respond is you clearly have no clue what you are speaking of, water based steroids are combined with certain products that keep it sterile, I would go further into explanation but it is not worth it because you certainly have no clue of what you speak of. No , I am not self absorbed, I just happen to know what I know, and thats not everything but it is enough. The fact that you use steroids and know nothing is exactly what is wrong with this community, your the type to give advice to others yet have no real knowledge, which is dangerous. Please just refrain from reading my blog until you get a clue, if you decide to read up and learn , please feel free to contact me to have a educated debate. As for your tough guy routine, I grew up in one of the worst neighborhoods in my state, I am no punk, and no I don’t get to go down to the Arnolds but if you ever in CT please contact me , I have $1000, that you won’t even come to my neighborhood, not a nice place but it is near the University I work for and grew up. Moron !!!
And who would these scammers be? I find it so funny that people actually still throw out names of companies that are owned by ex-axio employees. funny.
Still awaiting those lab test results or fabrications there of.
sir. Because I am an uneducated douchebag Thank you.
You really think because you demand it , i will run and do it… hahahahahahaha. I have 3 other paople ask me nicely and all of them have seen copies. But to even both wasting my time sending it to you when you can’t even grasp a simple concept about what water can do in the compounds. I am besides myself with your ignorance.
Quote from your blog post “If anyone has an issue with what I am saying about this topic , I would be more then willing to provide the reports from the testing.”
I have taken issue and you have backed away from the request. Enough said.
No I have not backed away I have ignored it completely, you can see it when I publish them, you have no clue so I refuse to indulge you. The reports are way over your head and you don’t even have a clue on active hormone let alone what the stats mean. Your a joke and I can’t take you seriously. If you can get some kind of base knowledge on the topic I am more then happy to send it your way…….
That would be “you’re a joke” you grammatically challenged asshat.
I’ve taken college level classes such as organic chemistry, but I am sure some homeboy from the hood as you proclaim to be has a greater grasp on the intricacies of matters such as these.
I’m all done with this self absorbed genius
Wow your ignorance knows no bounds, not only are you stupid you’re racist also. Your trying to say that anyone who grew up in a bad neighborhood couldn’t possibly learn advance science theories. I am beside myself. And if you haven’t noticed I only acknowledge superiority over you no one else, so self absorbed would be off the mark. As for my grammar , I am the first to admit that my grammar is lack luster, so it doesn’t really hurt me. So what I want from you and is for you to use your advance college (remember I have 9 years of college pre and post grad behind me so you don’t impress me ) and explain to me why the water content in oil based steroids is bad, and then I will continue this conversation. If you continue to use a childish argument to cover up the fact you have no clue then I will just start to delete those comments. If you haven’t noticed, almost all of the bloggers out there would have just deleted them all, I feel all have the right to speak, and that is hte only reason you are allowed to have this conversation with me . Have a great day and tell you friend in the Klan never to come to CT
And I also find the fact that you have no association to Axio , yet went to such great lengths to defend them seems a little curious… I think your a liar and an idiot.
I wasn’t defending axio. I was questioning your test results pertaining to orgain products as I have used several of the ancillaries and found them to be quite good. I’ve also used their clen and accutane with results I’ve come to expect from experience with using human grade products. I’ve never had an axio product in my hands.
While grammar may very well be a weakness for you, it would appear reading comprehension isn’t one of your strengths either.
I never mentioned axio in any of my posts. I also have read axio products have been known to contain comtaminates. Heavy metals being the most concerning one, but I’ve also seen the reports of water in their newer designed amps. Axio had a severe quality control issue a few years back where they were selling underdosed (if not completely bunk) products. You are sadly mistaken if you believe I am defending this outfit.
So it is Orgain you defend, fair enough, the Orgain products I was mentioning was from a certain forum, and I believed to be fake, if you read it states that….. The way it was combined made it not available for absorption , but don’t overstep your boundries Orgain is not HG….. For the record , you did mention Axio, saying I biased there also, please re=read your first couple posts. You even stated that you would use Axio after your lifetime supply was up…… As for your shots at Uncle Z , he made his mistake , admitted to it , which no other source would ever, and fixed the issue. I have more respect for anyone man enough to admit their mistake and to move forward , than a coward that runs. Believe me , my own advertiser , World-Pharma.org , tried saying that Asia Pharm was HG and I shot them down too…. Even after their threats to stop advertising, I can careless, my interest is to protect people from the big bad steroid brands that abuse the people that pay them. Just for your knowledge, every time I go after one of the big names , I actually lose readers, gain haters, and all the piss boys that follow these scumbags come calling. I don’t do this for glory or fame ( none to be had) nor do I make much money , if at all ( information costs money ) . So I do this of my own free will to protect people like yourself , from making a huge mistake.
I reread my post. It should be obvious I was referring to purchasing Orgain products in the future but apparently it wasn’t. You will not find an axio product in my hands ever. BTW- I wasn’t suggesting Orgain was human grade. I was saying that results I got from Orgain products are exactly what I expected based on previous experience with human grade products.
Uncle Z did eventually come clean. But he defended his products initially when approached. It took moderation intervention from some higher ups at outlawmuscle.com to get him to make good. Apparently one of them got screwed in the deal and wasn’t pleased. I will say I’ve had the opportunity to sample some of his powders that an friend purchased awhile back, and they appear to be of good quality and as advertised. When it comes to human grade products I’d be very leery of items from any eastern european provider unless it was an item that is known to be plentiful in that region. Omnas for example are manufactured in Poland and therefore usually a safe bet. But I’ve seen some of these eastern european’s advertising western manufactured gear that is difficult to obtain in vast quantities and the lot number/expiration number doesn’t change over the course of months (some cases years) of selling these items.
I have to agree with you as far as you should be able to question a product (If not as a Troll) without being cyber bullied! I am a member of a large board and if anyone asked anything but a 100% positive question about a product, several self appointed mods jumped all over the bro.
But it does work both ways. On the one hand, you have a Bro innocently asking a question and he gets FLAMED! and on the other hand, you have “Trolls” in the forum deliberately planting seeds of doubt. In the end, I look at a product, see that it seems to be very popular, and find out for myself. In the case of Axio and the excess water, I feel it is good to first approach this in PMs and see if they will take care of it. I understand what your saying, that it shouldn’t happen in the first place. I have to wonder if they have made good on this since this article was first put out?
I’ve used them and liked them (Tren) so I hope the extra water was out lol when I did!
But in the end, we need to be able to speak out. Like you infer, we are not protected by the FDA, if it were not for these forums, you wouldn’t be able to trust anyone! The ability for users to rate products on these forums helps keep the competition keen, honest, professional and top notch. at hardbody1.com we are not afraid of questions as we feel our Geneza products, and our clients opinions and results speak for themselves.
G1972
Without taking sides here…isn’t it possible that a batch or two of Axio had some water that didn’t belong there? I mean, it CAN happen, right?
This is not the only time I read about this so Drs is not alone in this claim. Most likely, this problem is fixed by now anyway.
When I first ordered Tren-e from an Axio site, I read the next day that there was a huge problem with Axio Tren. I was bummed out, I already sent D250 the cash!
Well, my 2 bottles of Tren-e turned out just fine. So maybe there was a temporary problem with the tren that was fixed? Or maybe a Troll made the whole thing up? Who knows?
Then there was the change of ownership, and the split between them and ****…Things happen.
As you know, quality in many ugls can vary from time to time. Even the great TOYOTA the largest car maker in the world has to call back a million cars! It happens, even to the legit greats, so why can’t it happen to Axio?
I see it as a good thing that we in this community can speak out on forums in order to keep everyone operating at a higher level. Great products get great reviews, so it works both ways..right?
Unfortunately, yes, there are trolls that plant nothing but BS…but I don’t think that is whats going on here. He’s entitled to his opinion.
Axio is a big player in the game for sure, I used and liked some of their oils, but they are not infallible. Just like Geneza had some problems last summer, not with gear mind you, but logistics, but they made good with every last person. I’m sure Axio would straighten out any problem too, but never think they can’t have any for God’s sake. That’s all I’m saying.
And seriously, good luck at the competition!
I wish you the best. Your obviously a vet, and you have my respect. I just believe in freedom of speech as long as the person believes his statement to be the truth.